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of the sequester, right? the republicans don't want to raise taxes. they want to raise the debt ceiling but as part of that conversation was about raising taxes. they want smaller government which means unsafe government. let's replace amtrak with my son on a skateboard. >> why not. >> it is unstable. he's high when he's using it and it turns over when you don't want it to. >> john: rick perry wants to talk to you right now. it is true. we're looking at a difference between big government and good government. do people really take government for granted because the guys in government keep their jobs by demonizing their jobs. when it comes to something like this -- >> it will bite them in the tail. all of the guys who voted against the raise the debt ceiling and affected the air traffic right now, they gotta go home to family who is affected by this. they're going to say what did you do? did you do this? they're going to learn the lesson. >> take a plane to get home. >> you're right harrison. something we're blaming on obama as well. they raised the debt ceiling multiple times for reagan, multiple t
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